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Post by musesilhouette on Sept 6, 2016 14:15:05 GMT
Maybe that is a poor choice of words on both counts. I guess I wanted to start a friend discussing which creatures might be considered non-hostile? While it may be an over-generalization, since the creatures are ultimately individuals, I wonder if there are any that have been observed to be non-aggressive.
Let's start with ghosts. I think that is something most people can agree that can be either hostile or friendly depending on the spirit. I have encountered incredibly dangerous spirits, but I have also encountered benign ones as well. When speaking with one, something interesting was brought up -- he said that the only thing ghosts feared was this "other side" of their being which was an equally opposite force that opposes them. That leads me to believe that if there is a malevolent spirit encountered, perhaps there is a friendly "other half" nearby? I am going to look into this theory, and may update on my findings later.
Goblins/Nightmares are something that I have encountered a few times. I really know very little about them beyond that the one I encountered came out of a mirror and was bound to some strange ritual and rules. It was incredibly alien and definitely hostile if it was sent upon you -- but oddly, the creature's hostilities were resolved simply by naming it. I get the impression that perhaps these beings aren't necessarily inherently evil, so much as we lack an understanding of them.
I have also run into one of these which is definitely friendly and harmless. They seem like a perfectly normal boy, though far too old to actually be a child. All the same, he believes himself to be human. I wonder if it is possible that he was, at one point, human? Or perhaps these creatures occasionally live as humans, completely unaware of what they are?
Vampires are obviously dangerous... But at the same time I have had mixed interactions with them? I have run into a lot of them and it occurs to me that I'm not sure if they typically kill their victims? I mean, with as many as I have seen in town, I feel like there is no way that they could regularly kill so many humans without it going noticed. I have had friendly interactions with some of them, and they have never tried to actually attack me, with the exception that my friend was attacked shortly after we walked into an entire nest, so they may have felt threatened at that point.
There seems to be different types of vampires. The ones we have run into keep mentioning "Cammies" or something, suggesting that they are not whatever they are.
I think it would be advantageous to figure out which creatures may be safely approachable. Especially since they will certainly have far greater insight into the occult world than we ourselves do. |
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Post by bookworm55 on Sept 6, 2016 15:04:32 GMT
Thanks for posting to Vitalis, Muse. I'll try to answer what I can, but I want to stress one thing most importantly of all: you can sum up monsters about as well as you can sum up people. At the end of the day, a ghost or a vampire is just someone trying to get through each day the same as us. The only thing that really separates us is what we need to do to keep ourselves going. Monsters usually need to prey on us, and that's where we find our differences, but also where we find our similarities.
A hunter can shoot a deer for meat and not hate the deer. Vamps are similar in that sense, but they've got an advantage. We've confirmed that vamps don't need to kill to feed, and most of them will outright avoid killing if they can.
That said, every monster we've encountered so far has urges, and while they might cooperate with humanity there aren't very many that can still relate to us. Just respect what makes them different while trying to highlight what makes you the same, and with a little help from your Edges you should be able to bend most monsters' ears for at least long enough to get a read on them.
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Post by god45 on Sept 6, 2016 15:05:10 GMT
Here's my advice. Fucking kill yourself traitor.
Mod Edit - User: God45 has been banned from subdirectory: Vitalis
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Post by musesilhouette on Sept 6, 2016 15:34:04 GMT
Wow, what was that about?
Anyway, thanks Boomworm. That is great news that they don't need to kill to feed, and generally try to avoid it! As long as they keep their urges in check, then we might be able to co-exist with them. At the very least, they shouldn't be our priority in that case. There are a lot more dangerous threats.
I don't suppose anyone knows any non-aggressive paranormal contacts? Or someone who works with them? It is honestly hard to discern what is real and what isn't with what I know about the occult, and what is accepted in popular occult theory. It might be a good starting point to understanding the nature of these creatures, and these urges, as well as to pinpoint ways we can deal with them.
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Post by crusader17 on Sept 6, 2016 15:44:52 GMT
I don't suppose anyone knows any non-aggressive paranormal contacts? Or someone who works with them? It is honestly hard to discern what is real and what isn't with what I know about the occult, and what is accepted in popular occult theory. It might be a good starting point to understanding the nature of these creatures, and these urges, as well as to pinpoint ways we can deal with them. I just had a chat with God45 and he has an answer to your question. Kill yourself. Mod Edit User: Crusader17 has been banned from Subdirectory: Vitalis |
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Post by epalto56 on Sept 6, 2016 15:47:35 GMT
Hi. We met a couple monsters that werent so bad but not many. We can talk about it at the bar sometime.
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Post by bookworm55 on Sept 6, 2016 15:50:04 GMT
If anyone else comes in here spouting their warmongering Avenger bullshit I'm not just going to ban you, I'm going to report you to Witness. Don't forget that this is a protected board. We don't do that shit here. Keep it to Firelight.
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Post by musesilhouette on Sept 6, 2016 15:51:42 GMT
Wow, I guess people don't really like the idea of non-violent interaction with the creatures... Sorry. I'm new to this, and just thought I would ask...
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Post by musesilhouette on Sept 6, 2016 15:52:34 GMT
Hi. We met a couple monsters that werent so bad but not many. We can talk about it at the bar sometime. That sounds like a plan. |
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Post by soldier91 on Sept 7, 2016 15:49:56 GMT
Wow, I guess people don't really like the idea of non-violent interaction with the creatures... Sorry. I'm new to this, and just thought I would ask... Welcome to the board. I'm sorry that this is the reception you got. I'm going to try to put this in a way that actually helps instead of making the whole creed look bad. Can monsters be good? Sure. I hold to this day that when I lost my squad and was set to die alongside them, it was their spirits that pushed me to keep going. Folks can call that silly if they want, but that's what I believe. I did a stint out in Kandahar before the change, back when Afghanistan was the center of hell on earth. I got frequent postings either standing at the gates to watch the road and take identification or do fence sweeps to secure our perimeter. There was one constant whenever I was out doing patrols, and that was a little Afghani man named Rashid. Rashid couldn't have been any younger than fifty and he walked with a limp, but I've never to this day met a man with more joy and life in him. He didn't speak English well, but he'd wave and smile every day that we passed each other with the fence between us, me on my patrols and him on his way to work. Rashid and me got friendly, and he even picked up a little English from some of the locals tutors so we could chat. He'd talk about baseball, he'd talk about his family. He'd talk about damn near anything that popped into his mind. He just loved the conversation. He got a real, honest joy out of it that a mud puppy like me just didn't get anymore, but that smile was infectious and talking to him made those walks in the heat and sand bearable. Well the call came in eventually that we needed to turn over every rock in Rashid's village. There'd been a tip. Could be hostiles right under our noses. We kicked in doors, pulled people out of their beds, broke furniture. We did everything we were trained to do in the name of keeping the base and that village safe. I remember the look on Rashid's face when some of ours broke apart some of the few things he'd broken his back working to own on the off chance that he might be working for the enemy. We didn't find anything. The tip was a false alarm. For a long time it stayed with me, and I won't say it ever stopped bothering me, but at the end of the day we did what we did to keep people safe. We were at war, and when you're at war you can't hesitate for a friendly face. You don't need to kill everyone, because that's not what war is, but you still need to understand the difference between our side and theirs. You can't get too wrapped up in trying to find good in something that wants to hurt you and your kind, because you'll hesitate in a critical moment. Don't make that mistake. Your life, your family and friends, and the good of humanity has to come first. |
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Post by musesilhouette on Sept 7, 2016 17:06:26 GMT
Thanks, soldier91. I appreciate the perspective. I understand that there is inherent danger involved in approaching anything paranormal, and I know that at a certain point -- we have to do what we have to do. Believe me, the creatures I have encountered have been terrifying, and it is the easiest thing in the world to see the dividing line between us and them. But I'm not necessarily trying to find good in something that actively desires to harm me, I am just trying to distinguish whether or not that something does aim to hurt me. Does that make sense?
Even if we do want to consider this to be a war, wars aren't typically won by genocide. Rarely does it wage until one side or the other is completely depleted, and when it does, it is usually because one side has an extreme advantage (which we do not). This seems especially like a hopeless tactic considering that some of the creatures can simply create more of their kind when needed. Wars end with truces, and agreements. Do not get me wrong, there is a very necessary power and force which must back up diplomacy. Even humans are not keen to compromise without potential consequence. But nevertheless, some sort of a middle ground must be reached.
I guess what I'm getting at is that I think pursuing a greater understanding and co-existence with the creatures actually is in the interest of the greater good of humanity -- at least where possible. Why make enemies that we honestly can't afford when facing plenty of creatures that genuinely are malevolent? What's more, we stand to gain more than just one less enemy; we can gain greater insight into how to actually combat the paranormal, too.
I understand your point. There is less risk without hesitation. I cannot say that you are wrong in that, and maybe with time I will even come around to your way of thinking. But for now I think that seeking out the good in the paranormal is the best chance we have in the long run. I'll try my best to balance this with your advice, though.
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